There are now more than 100 Zen Centers in almost 30 countries
around the world who follow Zen Master Seung Sahn 's Teaching.
Zen Master Seung Sahn has retired from active teaching and
now spends most of his time in Korea. He has given Inka, or
the authority to teach, to more than forty students, who are
called "Ji Do Boep Sa"s or "Guides to the Way". In addition,
he has also given full Dharma transmission to more than ten
other disciples, ensuring that his teaching will continue to
flourish around the world.
The following article is a selection of DHARMA TALKS by Zen Master Seung Sahn.
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Becoming Human
Zen Master Seung Sahn
If you look closely at human beings in the world today, you
notice that they are not human beings. They don't act like human
beings. If a human being acts correctly, then he or she becomes
a true human being. Moment to moment, what do you do? What is
your correct direction? Moment to moment, what is your correct
life? How do you find your correct way? How do you save all
beings from suffering?
We come into this world empty-handed. What do we do in this
world? Why did we come into this world? This body is an empty
thing. What is the one thing that carries this body around?
Where did it come from? You must understand that, you must find
that. So, if you want to find that, you have to ask yourself,
"What am I?" Always keep this big question. Thinking has to
disappear. We have to take away all our thinking, cut off our
thinking. Then our true self appears, then our true mind appears...
In this world, how many people really want practice? Many people
don't practice at all, fight day and night, and all day exercise
their desire, their anger, their ignorance. When you lose this
body, then you have nothing you can take with you. When this
body disappears, what will you take with you? What will you
do? Where will you go? You don't know, right? If this "don't
know" is clear, then your mind is clear, then also the place
you go is clear. Then you understand your job, you understand
why you were born into this world. Then you understand what
you do in this world. When you understand that, then you can
become a human being.
Your True Self
Zen Master Seung Sahn
Thank you very much for coming today. But what is it that brought
your body here? Is it your mind? What is mind? Where is it?
What is its shape? Mind is no mind. A mountain does not proclaim,
"I am a mountain!" A river does not say, "I am a river!" All
names and all forms are made by thinking. Thus, mind is no mind.
All things have name and form. Names and forms come from emptiness.
Thus, form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
When you are thinking, your mind, my mind, and all people's
minds are different. If you cut through all thinking, your mind,
my mind, and all people's minds are the same. The mind that
cuts through all thinking is the true empty mind. The true empty
mind is before thinking. Your substance is before thinking.
Your substance is universal substance. Before thinking, there
is no speech and no language. There is no God, no Buddha, no
mountain, no river, nothing at all. Thus, no form, no emptiness.
But, before thinking is truly just like this. No form, no emptiness
is itself a clinging to emptiness. Put it down! Then you will
have no inside and no outside; you will attain the Absolute.
Everything that you see, hear, taste, and smell is the truth.
God is God, Buddha is Buddha, mountains are mountains, rivers
are rivers. The truth is like this. Form is form, emptiness
is emptiness.
If you cut through all thinking, your mind will become clear.
Just that is your true self. Thinking is desire, desire is suffering.
When the mind remains clear, there is no life and no death.
You will find true freedom that has no hindrance.
Your body has life and death, but your true self transcends
both life and death. What, then, is one's true self? Does it
exist or not? If you say that it exists, where is it? If you
say that it does not, what is hearing this speech? Both these
answers are not complete. Why? (striking the table) KATZ! Put
it down, put it all down! The Great Way is in front of the door.
Correct Meditation
Zen Master Seung Sahn
When I was in the hospital, the doctors checked my heart. The
first time they checked, there were 23-25 mistakes (premature
ventricular contractions) in one minute, out of about 80 beats.
Many people have read about research by a Harvard professor
who checked people with bad hearts, diabetes, etc. He checked
people who did meditation and people who didn't. People who
didn't do meditation were O.K. with medicine, but not O.K. without
their medicine. But people who tried concentration meditation
got better more quickly, and were O.K. without their medicine.
The Transcendental Meditation people advertised this: "Meditation
can fix many sicknesses." So now many doctors like meditation.
So my doctors said, "Soen Sa Nim, you are a Zen Master, so you
try!" So I said, "O.K., I will try." So I tried this fix-your-body
meditation. In three days my heart was making only five mistakes
-- usually it takes about one month to recover like this, so
my doctors understood this meditation was helping my body, so
they were very happy.
After one week, my heart was only making one or two mistakes,
and my doctors said, "This is wonderful! Most people take two
or three months to come down to only one or two mistakes each
minute!" So I said, "Thank you very much, you have helped me,
so I can get better quickly. But this is only fix-your-body
meditation. This is not correct meditation."
"Why isn't this correct meditation?" they asked.
"You can fix your body, your heart, your diabetes. In Korea,
China, and India there are people who do yoga. They go to the
mountains and do breath-in, breath-out meditation. They can
live 500 years and not get sick. Keeping their bodies for a
long time is possible; even flying in the sky is possible. Trying
this style body meditation, anything is possible. A body is
like a car. Use the car a lot, and in three years, it is broken.
Only keep the car in the garage, then keeping it for a long
time is possible. But finally after 500 years, then these yoga
people die. Then what? Live a long time, then die; live a short
time, then die -- it is the same! Dying is the same."
The doctors understood. "What is correct meditation then?"
I told them, "I always try meditation. Meditation means always
keeping one mind, not-moving mind." They thought meditation
meant only concentration and keeping your body still. So I said,
"Meditation means keeping one mind. You must understand -- what
is life? What is death? If you keep one mind, there is no life,
no death. Then if you die tomorrow, no problem; if you die in
five minutes, no problem."
"What do you mean, 'no problem?'" they asked.
"Maybe you do fix-your-heart meditation. Then, 'My heart is
good, my body is good.' It is very easy to become attached to
this meditation. But when you get old, and your heart is not
so good, then you try this meditation. Maybe it is still not
so good. Then, 'Why doesn't my meditation work?' Then your body,
your meditation, become hindrances. If your meditation cannot
help your body, then you don't believe in your meditation. Then
what? So this style meditation is no good."
"Correct meditation means correctly understanding your situation
moment by moment -- what are you doing now? Only do it! Then
each action is complete each action is enough. Then no thinking,
so each moment I can perceive everything just like this. Just
like this is truth. Sick-time, only be sick. Driving-time, only
drive. Only go straight -- then any situation is no problem.
The doctors liked this; they wanted to hear more about Zen.
So six doctors came to my room and I talked to them for two
hours. One doctor asked me, "I am very busy, at the hospital,
then going home to my family -- how can I keep a clear mind?"
""Clear mind," I told them, "means moment to moment, what are
you doing now? When you are with your patients, only 100% keep
doctor's mind. When you leave the hospital and you are driving
home, 100% keep driver's mind. When you meet your wife, 100%
keep husband's mind. This means each moment only go straight;
don't make 'I, my, me.' If you make 'I, my, me,' then your opinion,
your condition, your situation appear; then you have a problem."
"'If, when you are with your patients, you think, 'Where is
my wife? Is she spending a lot of money?' Then this patient
is talking to you and you only say, 'Uhm, yeah, mmm-hmm.' So
the patient is thinking, 'What does the doctor think?' They
don't believe you. If you are talking to your wife, and she
is telling you something important, and you are thinking about
the hospital, this is just your opinion, this is just thinking;
it is not your just-now situation. So put it all down, only
go straight."
"We say jeon il, completely become one. When you are doing
an operation, you and this knife completely become one. When
you are driving in your car, you and your car only become one.
If you drive on a road with pebbles and you are not thinking,
only driving, then you can feel these pebbles under your tires.
Only become one means, you and your action completely become
one, then you and the universe only-become one -- completely
no-thinking mind. Inside and outside become one. The name for
this is, 'only go straight,' or 'put it all down,' or 'don't
make anything,' or 'keep clear mind.'"
"If you are only in the present, how can you plan for the future
or choose a direction? I have to plan for my patients, and for
myself, my family," one doctor said.
So I said, "What is the purpose of life? I asked many old people
in the hospital this question, or 'What did you get out of life?'
and many said, 'Nothing.' Maybe they have a good job, good family,
good wife or husband, but these things cannot help them now.
They want something they cannot have, and they understand this,
so they say, 'Nothing.' This is understanding nothing. But understanding
cannot help them, so they are suffering. Zen means attain this
nothing mind. The Buddha said, 'If you keep clear mind moment
by moment, then you will get happiness everywhere.'
"Zen is attaining this nothing mind, and using this nothing
mind. How can you use it? Zen means making this nothing mind
into big-love mind. Nothing mind means no 'I, my, me,' no hindrance.
So this mind can change to Great Compassion mind, action-for-all-people
mind. This is possible. Nothing mind does not appear, does not
disappear. So moment by moment, it is possible to keep your
correct situation. Then your mind is like a mirror -- when you
are with your patients, only become one. Then helping them is
possible. When you are with your family, only become one; then
understanding what is best for them is clear. Just like this.
The blue mountain does not move. The white clouds float back
and forth."
Why We Chant
Zen Master Seung Sahn
One Sunday evening, after a Dharma talk at the International
Zen Center of New York, a student asked Seung Sahn Soen-sa,
"Why do you chant? Isn't sitting Zen enough?"
Soen-sa said, "This is a very important matter. We bow together,
chant together, eat together, sit together, and do many other
things together here at the Zen Center. Why do we practice together?
"Everybody has different karma. So all people have different
situations, different conditions, and different opinions. One
person is a monk, another is a student, another works in a factory;
one person always keeps a clear mind, another is often troubled
or dissatisfied; one person likes the women's movement, another
doesn't. But everybody thinks, 'My opinion is correct!' Even
Zen Masters are like this. Ten Zen Masters will have ten different
ways of teaching, and each Zen Master will think that his way
is the best. Americans have an American opinion; Orientals have
an Oriental opinion. Different opinions result in different
actions, which make different karma. So, when you hold on to
your own opinions, it is very difficult to control your karma,
and your life will remain difficult. Your wrong opinions continue,
so your bad karma continues. But at our Zen Centers, we live
together and practice together, and all of us abide by the Temple
Rules. People come to us with many strong likes and dislikes,
and gradually cut them all off. Everybody bows together 108
times at five-thirty in the morning, everybody sits together,
everybody eats together, everybody works together. Sometimes
you don't feel like bowing; but this is a temple rule so you
bow. Sometimes you don't want to chant, to sleep; but you chant.
Sometimes you are tired and want to but you know that if you
don't come to sitting, people will wonder why; so you sit.
"When we eat, we eat in ritual style, with four bowls; and
after we finish eating, we wash out the bowls with tea, using
our index finger to clean them. The first few times we ate this
way, nobody liked it. One person from the Cambridge Zen Center
came to me very upset. 'I can't stand this way of eating! The
tea gets full of garbage! I can't drink it!' I said to him,
'Do you know the Heart Sutra?' 'Yes.' 'Doesn't it say that things
are neither tainted nor pure?' 'Yes.' 'Then why can't you drink
the tea?' 'Because it's filthy" " (Laughter from the audience.)
"'Why is it filthy? These crumbs are from the food that you
already ate. If you think the tea is dirty, it is dirty. If
you think it is clean, it is clean.' He said, 'You're right.
I will drink the tea.'" (Laughter.)
"So we live together and act together. Acting together means
cutting off my opinions, cutting off my condition, cutting off
my situation. Then we become empty mind. We return to white
paper. Then our true opinion, our true condition, our true situation
will appear. When we bow together and chant together and eat
together, our minds become one mind. It is like on the sea.
When the wind comes, there are many waves. When the wind dies
down, the waves become smaller. When the wind stops, the water
becomes a mirror, in which everything is reflected-mountains,
trees, clouds. Our mind is the same. When we have many desires
and many opinions, there are many big waves. But after we sit
Zen and act together for some time, our opinions and desires
disappear. The waves become smaller and smaller. Then our mind
is like a clear mirror, and everything we see or hear or smell
or taste or touch or think is the truth. Then it is very easy
to understand other people's minds. Their minds are reflected
in my mind.
"So chanting is very important. At first you won't understand.
But after you chant regularly, you will understand. 'Ah, chanting-very
good feeling!' It is the same with bowing 108 times. At first
people don't like this. Why do we bow? We are not bowing to
Buddha, we are bowing to ourselves. Small I is bowing to Big
I. Then Small I disappears and becomes Big I This is true bowing.
So come practice with us. You will soon understand."
The student bowed and said, "Thank you very much."
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